But they can be overcome piece by piece whereas it would be one big jump from IRT sizing. A flying junction could in fact be built using the existing provisions but the new platform would have to be south of the existing station. Some of your points might show good benefits of IRT use but only in part. But another perk is that we dont have to worry about A or B div standards The point is that anything involving using an extension of B Division is more complicated, for no reason, than just extending the IRT. Planning may have actually begun. Place station house under tracks in median. Home; Blog; Nosotros; Contacto; Nuestros Clientes; Copia de Home V2; utica avenue abandoned station The first is building a complicated junction that lets you send trains anywhere, which I think is what you are suggesting. Im not suggesting building an extension of the Crosstown Subway or tearing down the Broadway El, that is merely a reproduction of the 1931 IND plan. 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You took the time to write a response but not to read what I wrote? South of Kings Highway, due to the aforementioned geological issues, the line would have to be elevated. and has a much less dominating effect. Hey, that was me. Given the upfront costs of building it that seems like a waste (yes, 2nd Ave only hits that with the Q but it is at least designed to add the T later on). Touring: F train to East Broadway. If you tried to create a branch off of Fulton for Utica it would be very costly and awkward, but not impossible. But this does not deal with the immediate needs of those that live along Utica Ave. Building an extension of the IRT could be opened long before the section through northern Brooklyn and would have immediate benefits by serving more riders with direct service rather than requiring transferring. Phoenix has one of its very own, and it's haunting in the most beautiful way possible. Messing that up is messing a lot of commuters daily commute. Subway to Williamsburg Bridge proposal.. Especially for a line such as the 5 that lacks walking distance stations in comparison to the Nostrand Avenue line. Late nights/weekends the 4 will go to Kings Plaza. subways or open cut sections. [11]:194[7], On March 19, 1913, New York City, the Brooklyn Rapid Transit Company, and the IRT reached an agreement, known as the Dual Contracts, to drastically expand subway service across New York City. Are you saying that IRT cant handle the demand? Four side platforms. tph, equal to 16 A Div. The application was approved, and the IRT extension opened on May 1, 1908. And thats a jump I dont think we could ever make. My thinking is that the train has to slow down and then speed up for the stop in the station anyway. is still only two flights up. Make no little plans, Daniel Burnham is purported to have said, they have no magic to stir mens blood. This was built into the station as a provision for the proposed Utica Avenue Line, which is why the station itself has no exits to Utica Avenue. SAS-Grand Central future awkward? Also as Vanshookenraggen stated, the IND Utica Av Station will have to be teared up and relocated. By the early 1920s, its population had swelled to more than 10,000. [7] The first section opened on January 9, 1908, extending the subway from Bowling Green to Borough Hall. It lets light through the middle I highly disagree with connecting SAS to Nassau. Freeway-style concrete pillars. With more TPH there will be less crowding at Franklin or Nevins. The current switch layout requires that local trains merge directly in front of express trains causing delays and capacity constrains. If so, it could be served by alternate runs of the E or as a second express provided a suitable terminal could be found. Subway prematurely. The upper platform serves southbound trains, with local tracks to the west and express tracks to the east, and the lower platform serves northbound trains with a similar configuration. There seems to me to be two sections of this plan: the Worth St-South 4th-Stuyvesant Ave section and the Utica Ave section. You are proposing adding a couple billion dollars for what isnt all that much more capacity in the grand scheme. Located under Eastern Parkway near Utica Avenue in Crown Heights, Brooklyn, it is served by the 4 train at all times and the 3 train at all times except late nights. In the 1929 plan, one set of tracks would have led down Stuyvesant Ave., crossing the IND Fulton St. Line at Utica Ave. where another shell station and some unused mezzanines live and continuing down Utica Ave. and to Marine Park. much cheaper and fits the mtas little goes a long way attitude. Its smarter to do a IRT Utica line because the demand for a Utica Av Line is not in Bed-Stuy and Williamsburg, but in East Flatbush, Flatlands, and Mill Basin. Also the train that stays down Fulton past Utica would now have 4 terminals, Euclid Ave, Ozone Park, and The Rockaways. You bring up a good point. What are the closest stations to Utica Avenue? The school, at Avenue J can very easily be replaced using the existing parking lot across the street. Hughes and Brooklyn Officials to Join in a Formal Celebration of Event To-day", "Exercises In City Hall. Trains descending the ramp can access either the local or express track.[22]. (This post was also meant for a different article.). I, My 6) above, stacking the tracks. The bi-level station means that the branch would have a simpler time merging with the trunk. Gov. Would it be possible to connect the Utica Avenue like with the Fulton Street line? MTA. This would suggest that even if the full line was to be built most riders would be transferring to trunk lines headed to downtown rather staying on to midtown via Williamsburg. Run it through there to the Culver line where it can be the additional service that justifies reopening the express level. RPA proposes extending the line on a gradual diagonal from 25th Street and 11th Avenue to Ninth Avenue and 14th Street, with a Station at 25th/23rd between 11th and 10th Avenues. In fact, most of the proposals are costly, when they could instead be replaced with cheaper alternatives. The additional traffic warranting the fix will come Utica but you want the Utica service on the EPL express tracks which carry over to LEX. There is an active tower at the south end of the platform while a closed one exists on the east of the lower level. Looking into the window reveals a cinder-block wall that were erected to prevent glimpses into the closed portion of the intermediate level mezzanine. We have a new formula for success: were going to aim for an average team height of 5 3. It was the result of a partnership between the Hopi tribe and a group of Route 66 aficionados who are dedicated to preserving the heritage of this iconic road. The developers wrote that they raised all the station platforms so that a 1.5% grade would help the trains accelerate. With it both 2/3 trains would only go to Brooklyn College while 5 trains would serve the local stations, Nostrand Ave, Kingston Ave, and Utica Ave before turning south to Kings Plaza, while 4 trains would stay express to Utica Ave and take over service to New Lots. The station spacing was done to keep costs down. Finnaly, the A/C Utica Av station is directly under Utica Av. Have higher ceilings and most likely some sort of air cooling system for comfort. Artwork here was made in 1996 by Jimmy James Green and is called Children's Cathedral. Av D/Utica Av is 480 yards away, 6 min walk. While cost is an obvious reason for building an elevated over a subway there are also geological concerns in this area as the land through which Utica Ave runs has a very high water table and very sandy soil. But that off-road el idea is just too cool to pass up (I love your picture of the Chicago train going through the building). blend into hilly terrain. They will have wider entries, pathways and platforms so they wont have to be rebuilt to greater capacity later, as is being done to so many of them now. Imagine what kinds of service could be offered if that block-long tunnel was ever built! One of the main reasons that the City wanted to build the IND was to replace the existing elevated lines which were old, slow, and unpopular as they cast streets in shadow and soot. I realize it looks like Im being hypercritical but thats I disagree that people can just simply take a bus, but extending the Nostrand Av line south is needed. Eastern Py Utica Av. I just noticed not just the rough formatting and typos but Id accidentally truncated my handle to H. And I though drafting it offline would reduce mistakes! from Eastern Parkway to Flatbush Avenue, extending the #4 by four miles. NEW YORK, NY - Police are seeking a man who allegedly exposed himself and performed a 'lewd act' in the presence of a 21-year-old female subway passenger. In the intermediate level of the mezzanine, the closed section of the mezzanine was blocked only by a chain-link fence. Look at how grades were avoided on the first line, the popping above ground for 125 St and the extreme depth of some of the Washington Heights stations. However, if such a public-private partnership could be established and developers enlisted to build the stations then a couple more could be added. ; Mayor Declares Subway Open -- Ovations for Parsons and McDonald", "Brooklyn Joyful Over New Subway Celebrates Opening of Extension with Big Parade and a Flow of Oratory An Ode to August Belmont Anonymous Poet Calls Him "the Brownie of the Caisson and Spade" He Talks on Subways", "618 Miles of Track In The Dual System; City Will Have Invested $226,000,000 When Rapid Transit Project Is Completed", "Differ Over Assessment Plans in Transit Projects: Eastern Parkway Subway and Livonia Avenue Extension the Cause of Bitter Dissension Among Property Owners Uptown", "More Interborough Service for Brooklyn 2 New Lines", "Brooklyn Tube Extensions Open: I.R.T. will be as interesting and more reasonable than those from the genius (Plans for a Utica Ave. subway in 1969 involved extending the IRT instead of the IND.) The new IND subway replaced the BMT Fulton Street El. The Manhattan plans remained the same, but the line east from South 4th Street would continue on only to Marine Park via Utica Ave. Despite its name, this station has no exit to the corner of Utica Avenue and Eastern Parkway. It looks to be about two miles long. Building it to B Division clearances is good but making it B Div from the get-go would be better still. Say we got together and bought the local NBA franchise. Other sources indicate that the unused level at Fulton St.s Utica station is not quite perpendicular but slanted 20 degrees or so in the favorable direction. The line was proposed to cut across town to Columbus Circle, one avenue block away. Part of why I wanted to write this post was to point out the downsides to going with an IND style Utica Ave over IRT. But Utica predates 2nd Ave by at least a decade. Given the history of cost overruns and delays that the MTA is infamous for it seems foolish to build a project which requires so many moving parts even before the most important section can be built. The Queens Boulevard Express turns out 15 TPH each on its two services, and if anything DeKalb is the major limitation here; at least with Sixth Avenue its not the biggest deal since the merges on both ends of CPW also limit capacity. The 8th Ave Subway was designed to replace the 9th Ave El, the 6th Ave and 2nd Ave Subways to replace elevateds running above their avenues. I will say that the Utica stop spacing is fine; its not any wider than the Queens Boulevard local and it stops at every intersecting street with a frequent bus connection. There is a very good argument to be made that building the Worth St-Williamsburg section would alleviate traffic on the L train and serve a growing jobs center around Hudson Sq in lower Manhattan. The MTA studied [PDF] rebuilding this junction in 2009 and came up with two plans. Unlike at Eastern Parkway there were no track connections ever designed and the station itself sits in the middle of the intersection. See the problem? The point is that focusing on just the Utica Ave section alone could make this project shovel ready while 2nd Ave Phase 3 is still a pipe dream. So thats what the future holds: deep tunnels and expensive stations. The New Lots branch of the IRT ascends to the surface right after it leaves Eastern Parkway (due very much to the terrain) and it would make sense that the IRT would have the Utica Line do the same. The two street stairs here lead to either mall of Eastern Parkway west of Utica Avenue. On the other hand, your SAS plans involve building at least two complicated junctions to active tracks (including one under the East River) and lots of reliability-tanking interlining. And I much prefer to have 2nd Ave take over the B/D trains on the Manhattan Bridge so that they can be rerouted to Williamsburg instead. PATH. Abandoned 9th Avenue Subway Station. Now, if this was built, the 2/3/4/5 will be able to run to either branchline from either direction. The first plan offers the highest operational flexibility and allows a continuation of both local and express trains to access Nostrand Ave but would cost close to $1 billion and require extensive excavation. So are you proposing adding a branch that runs north of Eastern Parkway to Fulton St? The 2004 artwork here is part of a series called Good Morning and Good Night. Even the New Lots branch doesnt have a third track and you could argue it needs one more than this. Youve shown plans to underground the Ls el as well as the Fulton and Crown HeightsUtica Avenue station was constructed as part of the Eastern Parkway Line. Merchant groups arent going to sue you for driving their business away. Members hailed the decision to save the station, and were encouraged by the public response to the Adirondack operation, despite its ultimate bankruptcy. Im more in support of an IRT Utica Avenue subway and now you made a Rogers Junction plan clear. The tracks are outlined by a pattern in the ceiling on top of the four trackways at the Utica Avenue station; therefore it appears that there are four trackways and two island platforms running diagonally across the ceiling in the center. If you check out the MTA report I sourced for the Rogers Junction rebuild you can see the two options. Let's take a trip down memory lane to explain why. A BMT/IND line would cost more because its farther away, meaning more track mileage and a bigger cost, possibly raising the Metrocard fare to $3.00 for one ride. Another weekend or overnight wont kill us! When you were envisioning your Montague Tunnel connection did you explore a Hanson Place route as an alternative? The Board of Rapid Transit Commissioners approved the route on September 27, 1900,[6] and the contract was signed on September 11, 1902. I would totally be open to the idea of just using Nassau and keeping the B/D on the Manhattan Bridge. While those numbers are nothing to scoff at, especially as they have seen over 10% increases in ridership over the last decade, the E train at Jamaica-Parsons sees ridership of over 12 million annually. Climbing the steps to the intermediate level, there are locked doors that serve as access to the unfinished platforms. We dont need to tear down the EL. The point of Utica Ave is that riders are trying to get downtown so who would ever ride the 4 all the way out just to switch to the A when they could have just gotten on the A at the first place. The only relief valve I can see short of the billion+ solution is reverse-branching lower Utica so that some its runs can continue up Nostrand. Eliminating the bottleneck and interlining will improve frequency at Franklin so the transfer wont take too long. The 2 track Worth St Line would require a 3.15 mile tunnel from Tribeca to Williamsburg. That gives you much more cacapity to work with than just the 10 tph you be stuck with via your plan (assuming you mean to have it be the Queens Blvd branch of 2nd Ave). Another elevator from the south mall leads to fare control.[23]. A lower cost solution to your previous The same happens if the A leaves. The S could probably do full-time service from either Euclid Ave or Utica Av to Rockaway Blvd. Thanks for listening Vanshnooken! The Utica Avenue station is an express station on the IND Fulton Street Line of the New York City Subway. Constructed in 1923, Union Station served the . In addition, a two-track branch line along Nostrand Avenue branching off east of the Franklin Avenue station was to be constructed. Given that the L is now the busier of the two lines and needs relief, badly, it would be much more sensible IMO to go east across E 7 St to stations at Tompkins Square Park, Metropolitan/Bedford, Hope/Union (G) (L), Humboldt/Montrose (L), and Myrtle Av (J)(M)(Z), to provide a faster alternative to the L. I dont really think theres much value in duplicating Broadway services just because S 4 St exists. [2] It is also served by the B46 and B46 SBS bus lines. Crown Heights Utica Avenue Station. Pseudo-viaducts. The station opened on August 23, 1920, as part of an extension of the IRT Eastern Parkway Line by the Interborough Rapid Transit Company. Close by to where youd have your subway portal at Kings Highway is the Bay Ridge branch. The only elevated line that the IND ever built was the Culver Viaduct between Carroll St and 4th Ave-9th Sts and this was done in a similar way. So while not impossible it is more complicated and it is dependent on an additional service running down Fulton. Have a design contest; results When looking at your plans for Utica Avenue, you seem to only put emphasize on what the area is like now and not in the future. The incident happened inside the Utica Avenue subway station in Brooklyn on Christmas Eve. No doubt they will propose some deep bore subway with expensive stations that will take a decade or more to build. When the 4/5 isnt running in Bkyln, the 2/3 will do usual service, and a shuttle will serve Kings Plaza. 10. In 1977, the fight to save Utica Union Station and the Adirondack Railway's plans to reopen the abandoned Utica-Lake Placid line prompted formation of the Utica & Mohawk Valley Chapter. A, the train is smaller, making it able for more stations. The second is a simple addition of new switches which is what Im going with. Most of these riders are coming from the bus so simply extending the IRT south isnt going to strain the system. With IRT you are constrained slightly but smoothing out the Rogers Junction gives you more to work with and if Utica proves more popular than New Lots then you could run some special 4 trains down there at rush hour. Oh well, maybe that will help since Im taking the express trains away from Nostrand. You can take a bus from Newark Penn Station to Utica Avenue Station via Port Authority Bus Terminal, 9th Ave/42nd St, Atlantic Av/4 Av, Dean St/4 Av, and Dean St/Utica Av in around 1h 52m. We already did a shutdown that required all trains to be terminated at Franklin Av, and we survived! Since we are only building Utica and not the larger network designed to replace the elevated that means that the subway would be competing with the existing trains for riders and based on ridership statistics the stations along the route arent exactly bursting at the seams: in 2015 annual ridership numbers. In the Bronx the Grand Concourse Subway was designed to at least compete with the Jerome Ave elevated if not eventually replace it and in Brooklyn the Fulton St Subway was built to replace the Fulton El out to Queens with provisions built to allow a connection with the Jamaica Ave elevated. Oh shit I forgot I was playing with skip-stop. The Crown HeightsUtica Avenue station is an express station on the IRT Eastern Parkway Line of the New York City Subway. And on what route? The 3 cannot be extended as, in order to get the most capacity out of the line, the Rogers Junction needs to be rebuilt and this will segregate local and express trains. An article today about from Second Avenue Sagas about the 7 line extension station at Hudson Yards, awaiting passengers as the rest of the mega development is completed, reminded us of these.. Delays wont occur because of judges ordering you to change your practices to mitigate pollution or traffic effects. 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